The priesthood is ontologically bigger than denomination.
A wise saying to be pondered and thought over. It is why priests in the PNCC are our priests, as long as they have valid orders, and regardless of where they came from.
Thoughts and opinions from a Priest in the PNCC
The priesthood is ontologically bigger than denomination.
A wise saying to be pondered and thought over. It is why priests in the PNCC are our priests, as long as they have valid orders, and regardless of where they came from.
On May 23rd Holy Mass was offered at St. Stanislaus Bishop and Martyr Cathedral in commemoration of the martyrdom of Jerome Savonarola, and to mark the closing of the Savonarola Theological Seminary’s 100th academic year.
In honor of this event God’s Field, the Official Organ of the Polish National Catholic Church published the following prayer, which Savonarola prayed prior to his martyrdom while holding the Holy Eucharist in his hands.
Lord, I know that You are the true God, Creator of the world and of humanity. I know that You are the perfect Trinity, indivisible and inseparable, distinct in three persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. I know that You are the everlasting Word, that came down to earth in the womb of the Virgin Mary, and was crucified to shed Your Precious Blood for us miserable sinners.
I beseech You, Lord, I beseech You, my Savior, I beseech You, my Creator, that the Precious Blood shall not have been shed in vain for me, but will be for the remission of all my sins, for which I ask Your forgiveness, from the day on which I received holy baptism until the present time; and I confess my sinfulness to You, Lord. And therefore, I ask Your forgiveness for anything in which I have offended this city and this people, in spiritual and temporal matters, and for everything in which I may have erred without knowing it.
And I humbly beg forgiveness of all these people here present, and ask that they may pray to God for me, that He may give me strength at my last end, and that the Enemy may have no power over me. Amen.
Attention Young Men and Teenagers
Do you have any idea how God goes about calling men and boys to serve as priests in the Church? Do you believe the Lord is calling you? Are you not sure if you are being called to the priesthood in the Polish National Catholic Church? Do you know of any others of the same age who are thinking the same way as you are?
Our church needs more priests to minister to her people and to help our church thrive and grow.
The P.N.C.C. is trying to bring together young men whom God may be calling. We know that God would not call our church into being without continually calling men to serve as priests. Prime Bishop Robert M. Nemkovich and the Board of Savonarola Theological Seminary are reaching out to males from the ages of 15 through 25 who are members of this church. Please read the following:
On June 20-22, 2008, our Church will bring together males from the ages of 15 through 25 who are members of the Polish National Catholic Church for a “Weekend of Spiritual Discernment.” What does that term mean? We are trying to assemble are create peer groups (boys and men of similar ages) for both those who believe they are being called to the priesthood and those who think they may be called but are not sure. We will then help them test their calling, that is, spiritually discern, whether or not they are truly being called to the Priesthood of Christ in the Polish National Catholic Church.
The Weekend for Spiritual Discernment will start with registration and room assignment from 3:00 p.m. to 6:00 p.m. on Friday, June 20, at the seminary of the Polish National Catholic Church: Savonarola Theological Seminary, 1031 Cedar Avenue, Scranton, PA. Supper will be served at the seminaly at 6:00 p.m., then the opening session and an introduction to the seminary program for the priesthood will begin at 7:00 p.m., followed by a service in the seminary chapel and fellowship.
On Saturday, June 21, Holy Mass will be offered at the seminary chapel at 8:00 a.m., followed by breakfast. Sessions on spiritual discernment for vocations to the priesthood, Jerome Savonarola and Bishop Francis Hodur, the life and ministries of priests in the P.N.C.C., the highlights of the origin and development of St. Stanislaus Cathedral Parish and the P.N.C.C. will be offered throughout the day and evening. These will be interactive sessions with an emphasis on discussions and plenty of time for questions and answers. Discernment (or figuring out what God wants us to do) occurs primarily through prayer and the asking of questions. Lunch and supper will be provided and the evening will conclude with fellowship and prayer.
The weekend will conclude with Holy Mass at St. Stanislaus Cathedral on Sunday, June 22, followed by breakfast and the closing session. Names, addresses, e-mails and phone numbers will be exchanged with the hope of establishing a collegial community of teenagers and young men who someday may be interested in enrolling in the seminary for education and training to become priests. The Prime Bishop, bishops and clergy who participate in the Weekend of Spiritual Discernment will become part of a network of support and encouragement for the young men and boys who may aspire to become priests.
The Weekend of Spiritual Discernment is being sponsored by the Seminary Board and organized by Bishop Anthony Kopka. Members of the board who will be presenting the sessions are: Seminary Rector, Prime Bishop Robert Nemkovich; Seminary Vice Rector, Father Czeslaw Kuliczkowski; Seminary Professor, Bishop Anthony Mikovsky; and Bishop Kopka. Father Ramzi Musallam, a more recent seminary alumnus, will also present a session.
The Office of the Prime Bishop will provide financial assistance for males between the ages of 15 and 25 (inclusive) who are members of the P.N.C.C. to participate in the Weekend for Spiritual Discernment. The P.N.C.C. will cover the costs of meal and lodging at the seminary, however, participants must bring their own bedding or sleeping bags. The P.N.C.C. will also provide grants up to $200 for one-way air travel and for one-way mileage (40.5¢) over 50 miles. Parishes, dioceses and church organizations are asked to help finance the balance of expenses for travel for those they support and encourage to consider sacred vocations.
Dress is sort of “business casual,” in other words, participants are expected to wear long pants, collared shirts and dress or casual shoes, not sneakers or open footwear. Again, please pack bedding or sleeping bags (pillows are available); also bring personal toiletry, towels and soap. The Polish National Union of America will provide materials needed for the sessions.
To register for the weekend of Spiritual Discernment and to inquire about the financial grants for travel, please contact no later than June 13:
Bishop Anthony Kopka
275 York St.
Stratford, CT 06615
(203) 377-9901 or (203) 913-0543
Found this at Reformed Catholic: Guide for Elder Wannabe’s.
Here are some suggestions for those wanting (or —feeling called—) to enter the ministry. I’ve learned by experience that some of these items would be helpful to candidates and others pursuing ordination. Other items represent what I believe might be helpful. In any case, I offer them up for consideration for students and others to perhaps avoid some of the mistakes I’ve already made and many others have also perhaps made along the way
While certainly bearing a Reformed understanding on certain issues like ordination, on the whole I agree with points the writer makes.
We took my son out for dinner tonight – to his favorite diner. He wanted a root beer float with chocolate ice cream – dad taught him that one.
A conversation in the car on the way:
Son and daughter: “Do you know that there are people who don’t believe in heaven?”
Dad: “Yeah, that’s sad, because they think that when they die – well that’s it.”
Son and daughter: “They think they’re just dead.”
Dad: “That’s right – they think their life it over, they have no hope.”
Son: “That’s why we need to have pastors, to go and teach people about heaven, to tell them the truth, to make them believe and have hope.”
A great gift – insight and zeal for souls. We didn’t have to buy that gift – it came by the grace of God.
As posted at Rorate Caeli in Cardinal Etchegaray: The issue of the ordination of married men “may come about” and linked to by the Young Fogey – by the way, his comment on the posting is knowledgeable, balanced, and respectful.
It is unfortunate that so many, who claim some kind of knowledge of the Church, reduce these discussions to mindless ranting based on the perception of a race (in this case the French), a particular clergyman, or their deeply held conviction that unless everything stays as is (the man made disciplines of the Church) the world and Church will fall apart.
That argument has proven false by the mere fact that the Orthodox, the PNCC, and so many other Catholic as well as Protestant Churches can support a priest/minister and his family, not extravagantly, but modestly, and in keeping with the norms of the local community.
As the Young Fogey pointed out, no one goes into the ministry expecting to be rich (success “Gospel” evangelicals and princely priests not withstanding) or to live luxuriously. They are there to minister, to bring God’s grace through sacramental and pastoral action.
Neither the Holy Priesthood nor the Church will disintegrate if the local priest marries.
If you truly think that, you have lost faith in the promises of Christ and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in the Church, or you never believed in that in the first place.
Oh, and on the Bishop of Rome solemnly confirming something, great for his diocese, but within the Roman Catholic understanding, did it rise to the level of an ex-cathedera statement proclaimed infallibly? I bet that a lot of folks would argue that it didn’t, and that only those wishing to see it as such see it that way.
The American Papist blog is carrying a post on Fr. Francis Mary Stone & EWTN as well as periodic updates on the “situation.”
The Young Fogey pointed to that article as well as to his comment on it, which is reasonable and balanced.
It appears that Fr. Francis, the key host of EWTN’s Life on the Rock TV program has taken a leave of absence which is quickly morphing into a permanent leave of absence.
On a recent show a letter from Fr. Francis was read:
Dear Family,
Regretfully, I have a message that does not come without significant pain to both you and me. I have to tell you in all honesty and truth, that I have been personally involved with helping a widow and her struggling family. Over the course of time, the mother and I have grown very close. As a result, I am compelled to take some time off to prayerfully and honestly discern my future.
I am truly sorry of the impact this may have on so many. I am not unaware of the gravity and magnitude of the situation, yet after much wise counsel, it is really something that I must deal with now for the good of all.
With that said, it is best that I deal with it away from EWTN. Therefore, I have asked for and graciously been granted some extended time to prayerfully discern my vocation.
To those who are part of the EWTN family locally, and others throughout the world, especially all those who have supported me so faithfully in my priestly vocation and ministry here on Life on the Rock, I sincerely apologize. I ask for your prayers and understanding during this time that is so very difficult, but yet so very necessary.
Please lift me up in your humble prayers to Jesus through Mary, our Mother, in Grace and Mercy.
Fr Francis Mary, MFVA
As my regular readers know, the clergy of the Polish National Catholic Church are allowed to marry. They would also note that I have long stated that the vow of celibacy is an imposed discipline which is unworkable from a grace or discipline perspective. You cannot demand such gifts from the Holy Spirit, only encourage and support those with that gift while not foisting it upon others.
The American Papist blog immediately gets into requesting prayers for Fr. Francis, as well as a discussion of the “grave situation.” They remind us that all men are sinful (agreed), that [Roman] Catholics should not be scandalized (do not agree), and how this is a teaching opportunity.
Now I freely admit that the Roman Church has its own discipline. I do respect that. While I respect it, that does not imply that I or my Church agree with it. We think there is a better way.
I offer the following from my perspective:
I am saddened to see the rare mention of prayers for the woman and her family at the American Papist website.
They note that the subsitute anchor at Life on the Rock went on to say in reference to Fr. Francis’ situation:
“evil and sin do not have the last word – there’s always hope”
Of course that is par for the course. She is the sinful Eve leading good Father Francis astray. Not said outwardly, but implied by words like scandal, grave, temptation, and by Fr. Francis’ apology itself.
If I were the woman involved, that sort of apologizing would lead to a long cold silence. She is relegated to second class status, and is marked as a cause for apology and shame, even evil, the cause of sin.
That said, those sorts of reactions are trained in, gut instinct for Father Francis and others. Not exactly psychologically healthy when you are in that situation.
The grace of celibacy should be self perpetuating and not a cause for internal conflict. Here you see internal conflict — painful, and cause for an expression of regret which will later lead to more regret.
In a certain way this speaks to the fall of the many, which is often a fall well out of the limelight. Is the Roman Church’s clergy imbued with the grace of celibacy or are far to many left without the gift, left harmed by a discipline imposed by men?
As I noted, [Roman] Catholics may have good reason to be scandalized. Not so much by Fr. Francis’ decisions but firstly because EWTN has expunged Fr. Francis from its website.
He, and whatever good he did in his ministry, have been relegated to non-existence. If anything was learned from other recent scandals, covering-up is to be avoided. Were all his homilies, the programs he hosted graceless blather?
Secondly, on the issue of covering-up. Fr. Francis was somehow “helping” this woman (counseling?, spiritual guidance?, I can’t imagine financial support). That sort of relationship demands a duty, and might imply that the woman and her family were vulnerable, perhaps even taken advantage of.
Love can happen in stressful situations – but care must be used to ensure that the love is real, and not driven by need. As such, the helper must be careful. This goes back to the prayer issue – perhaps she and her family are more “in need.”
If I were to offer a prayer (and I do), I would ask that the Lord keep watch over Fr. Francis, the widow, and her family. That He protect them and that He allow them to heal and discern His will.
I wish them well and hope that they can see past the immediate to the long term. There is joy in a loving relationship between a man and a woman, if that is what they are called to. They should know that it is a special grace from God that is open to all who are called to it.
From the BBC: Pope ‘refused audience for Rice’
Pope Benedict XVI refused a recent request by US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to discuss the Middle East and Iraq, Vatican sources say.
The Pope refused a request for an audience during the August holidays.
Senior Vatican sources told the BBC the Pope does not normally receive politicians on his annual holiday at the Castelgandolfo residence near Rome.
But one leading Italian newspaper said it was an evident snub by the Vatican towards the Bush administration.
Christian rights
There are at least two reasons why Pope Benedict may have decided peremptorily against a private meeting with Ms Rice.
First, it was Ms Rice who just before the outbreak of the Iraq war in March 2003 made it clear to a special papal envoy sent from Rome, Cardinal Pio Laghi, that the Bush administration was not interested in the views of the late Pope on the immorality of launching its planned military offensive.
Secondly, the US has responded in a manner considered unacceptable at the Vatican to the protection of the rights of Iraqi Christians under the new Iraqi constitution.
The Bush administration has told the Vatican that as coalition forces have not succeeded in securing the whole territory of Iraq, they are unable to protect non-Muslims.
Instead of meeting the Pope, Ms Rice had to make do with a telephone conversation with the Vatican’s number two, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, who was visiting the US during August on other business.
Witness can be quiet or loud, subtle or direct. I say Amen to this approach. Would that more Christians witness in such a manner, especially in this country.
Just say no!
A funny coincidence today.
I finally turned over the page in one of my wall calendars. It’s one of those typical Catholic art calendars you find in the backs of churches just prior to the new year.
This calendar, published by J.S. Paluch Company, Inc. is the 2007 Religious Art Calendar.
Each month features a painting and a brief prayer for vocations.
This was the prayer I read today:
Jesus, our brother, you entrusted to us the mission of your Church: to transform society through the power of your truth and love. Help us know how to encourage men and women to lead us through the ministries of priesthood, diaconate, religious life, and lay ministry. Amen.
Help us know how indeed… Or rather, brother Jesus, grant us forgiveness for our poor use of language and our political agenda.
By the way, the attribution for the prayer is the “Secretariat for Vocations and Priestly Formation of the National Conference of Catholic Bishops”.
The folks in Australia must be praying this one fervently. Per The Age: Catholic bid for married and women priests
A GROUP of nuns, priests and Catholic activists has revived the thorny issue of married and women priests, circulating a petition calling on Australian bishops to reverse the church’s opposition to a more inclusive priesthood and warning there are not enough priests to run local churches…
You can see how people can be easily led astray when the hierarchy of the Roman Church, particularly in the U.S., uses such lazy language. I can just hear little old Mrs. Smith saying one Sunday: “Did you see, the bishops asked us to pray for women priests. It’s in my calendar.”
I’m moving Dcn. Virgil Petrisor and Magdalini from the Deacons tab to the Occasional tab.
Dcn. Virgil Andronache became Fr. Peter Andronache on the Feast of Ss. Peter and Paul at St. Paul Orthodox Church in Savannah, GA.
Beautiful pictures have been posted here.
Congratulations!